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Radio. Well, good evening,
good evening, and welcome to another fabulous

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time of dialogue and conversation and information
and all that good stuff. It's Monday.

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I believe we got one more Monday
in the month. I think we

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do. No, we don't.
This is the last Monday of the month.

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Wow, June is gone. But
you know what, Before we get

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started, let me say hello to
my wonderful co host, Ms. Trey

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Tray from all the way from Virginia. How you doing up there? How's

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everyone? Okay? Okay, thank
you, Bam and Pastor Miguel coming in

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from the left here, coming in
from the left. Good evening. Thank

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you for joining us. This evening
and happy Monday. Amen. Amen,

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Well, let's pray, Father God. We just thank you, we praise

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you, we give you glory.
Lord. You are so awesome, you

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are so wonderful, You're so loving, You're so forgiving. Oh my God,

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you're so protective, you're so peaceful. You just blow my mind every

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minute of the day. Thank you
for keeping us safe. Thank you for

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allowing us to come on tonight,
Father God, and to represent you Father.

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And we know, Father God,
that you're gonna do what you do

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best, and that that's to set
every captive free. We get behind the

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cross tonight. We get behind the
cross tonight. You do what you need.

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You know that needs to be done, needs to be said in Jesus'

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name. We pray. Amen and
Amen. Well tonight, ladies and lady

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and gents, ladies and gents and
everybody else that's coming on. I am

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excited about our guests. He was
supposed to come on Father's Day and it

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was not God's will, and it
was all good and it was well with

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us. Please help me to introduce
and to well warmly welcome doctor Julius Koonts

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of the Chaplaincy in the Marketplace Program
doctor K there he is. I'm super

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fantastic, I really am. I'm
fantastic, glad to be here. Okay,

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thank you, thank you, thank
you. Yeah, we're getting our

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background noise and sound together there.
But we're gonna be better. We're gonna

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be better. But it's all good. But I thank you, sir,

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because you are extremely busy. This
is the only Monday night actually that he

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really could clear and was clear looking
afar off. It was clear. And

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I appreciate this, And God's gonna
bless you for your time and your thoughts

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tonight. I know that our title
of our show tonight is hurricane Preparedness.

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We've been talking to the audience all
month long about being prepared, understanding if

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you're in a flood zone where you
need to go for safety. Also here

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in Orlando, we had hurricane no
sales tax on some hurricane items, excuse

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me, And so we brought that
to the attention to folks and encourage people

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no matter what your state is,
you know, look on your government,

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you know platforms and see if they
were having the same type of opportunities and

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stuff like that, because not everybody
has everything. But it was so funny

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because and I looked, well,
I was getting ready, sir, to

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send you the email. I looked
at the title again and I said,

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well, we can't take it down. And God spoke so clearly to me.

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He said, well, this is
what chaplains do. We show up

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in the midst of chaos. We
show up in the midst of disagreement and

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negotiation and whatever. I want you
to take your time and talk to us

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about chaplaincy, chaplaincy in the marketplace, because that's what I am. And

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at the very end we have time. I just wanted to share a testimony

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of being involved in this, but
I want to be quiet now and let

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you do what you do best.
One are the things you do best,

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sir, and that's talk about what
it's like to be a chaplain in the

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marketplace and why do we need that
ch Why do we need that now in

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this season that we're sitting in right
now? Good God, Well, but

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again, thanks for having me on
tonight. Again. This is a passion

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of mine. Just give you some
background of where I came from as it

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relates to Christians in the marketplace,
which now we have another ministry is chaplain

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where we actually train believers to become
Chaplains in the marketplace. So some fifteen

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years ago, I was with my
bishop, oldest lugged senior, who wanted

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me to come down to Atlanta,
Georgia to come to a market place ministry

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conference. Well, I was in
my own business at the time, and

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I thought we were going down so
he can expose my business to other businesses

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that was Christian related. But when
we got to this conference, there were

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about six hundred people there all around
the world. So when we got to

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this conference, I was very excited
because I was going to network with some

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more Tian millionaires to be able to
grow my company. Well, as soon

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as we got there and got seated
and got comfortable, now I'm men,

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I'm looking I'm looking like a fox
in a henhouse because I knew that there

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were going to be some people that
I was going to actually be able to

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do business with. So the hosts
of the conference got up and said to

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us, if you come to network
and you come to grow your bottom line,

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you come to the wrong conference.
And I said to myself, why

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am I here? And he started
to say that this conference is about showing

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believers how to live out their faith
in the marketplace. Now, I never

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heard that before, as it relates
to how I can actually live in the

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marketplace and yet bring out the glory
of God in everything I do in the

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workplace. So when doing that two
day conference, almost three day conferences on

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the way back, I mean it
changed my life. On the way back,

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that's when Bishop oldislocke It said to
me, he said, I believe

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that this is where God wants you
to be. I said, way,

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if you pray for him, I
go. And he prayed for me.

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He prayed for me, and I
started. He allowed me to become the

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executive director of Christians in the marketplace. That was somewhat sixteen years ago.

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Well speed up a little bit fifty
or seven years ago. I started to

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transition from my computer company and I
started going around praying for small businesses.

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The Lord put it on my heart
just to go and pray for small businesses.

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I did that for a couple of
companies, and then one company that

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was in the red. They were
so much in the red that when I

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went there and I told them I
just wanted to pray for your company,

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and they said, sure, come
on and pray. And the only many

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times called me into her office and
she was crying and talking about how far

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in debt they were, and I
said, I'm gonna pray for six months

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and I'm gonna believe God that he's
gonna turn this company around. And guess

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what, in six month that was
in the black. So when I was

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getting ready to leave because I thought
my time was up, she called me

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into the office and she said,
will you like to be our chaplain?

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Now, mind you, the only
chaplain that I've ever heard of was a

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hospital chaplain, hospice chaplain, military
chaplain, maybe first responded chaplain, police,

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fire department, whatever the case may
be. And I said, well

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sure, and she said, and
we'll pay you too. And I wasn't

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looking to get paid the pastor.
I was not looking to get paid.

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It wasn't because I did it out
of the goodness on my heart. But

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you know, God has a way
to blessing you. You know, I

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read a scripture this morning song five
I think you five and twelve. It

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said that God will cover you with
favor and make it like a shield.

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Now, I know we look at
favor as a blessing, but God said,

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I'm gonna bless you so much that
your bless your favor is going to

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be like a shield to you.
So you got the shield of faith and

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you now you got to shield of
favor. So again, so after that

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period of time, I was their
chaplain and still I'm still their chaplain today.

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So four years ago I started thinking, I said, I wonder how

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many other people who was in ministry
would love to be a chaplain that just

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focused on the marketplace. Well,
again God moved. I was able to

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get in contact with Chaplain International there
in California and met with doctor Skadrin and

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he sent me all the material to
start our own training facility. And now

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over three and a half years,
we have graduated over four hundred and seventy

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five students. We have over one
hundred and fifty almost one hundred and seventy

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licensed chaplain within three years. And
Lisa Gray, Lisa Gray rather is one

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of those chaplains. And I guess
that's why we're here tonight to talk about

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how important it is for a chaplaincy
to be recognized as a major mainstream ministry.

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And it's a hidden jewels to the
churches that they do not realize the

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power of chaplaincy because chaplaincy, even
though I'm a pastor for over fifteen years.

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I've never had opportunity to be able
to go deeper, to love harder

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than I have with chaplaincy. It
has opened more door for me than anything

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that I have experienced by way of
a title within the four walls of the

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church. Now, when it comes
to chaplaincy, I did not recognize how

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how acceptable it was in the marketplace. Now you go to someone and you

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say, I'm pastor Julius coast or
I can say I'm chaplain Julius Coach.

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I'm embraced, I'm accepted more so
as chaplain that I am pastor. Because

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when I say pastors, they want
to know what church, what denomination?

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And I guarantee you if you say
the wrong denomination, gets what's going to

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happen. They're going to start to
back off. They gonna absolutely, pastor,

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you're gonna start to back off because
what happens is that we become so

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affiliated with denomination and what they're they're
about. But let me ask you a

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question, when the last time you
heard something bad on the chaplain? When

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the last time you heard anything bad
on the chaplain? But I guarantee you

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you can pull up an article tonight
and find out something bad about a pastor

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or spiritual leader in the church.
Why Because chaplaincy is not about titles.

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Chaplaincy it gives you an opportunity to
live out what you've been confessing. I

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am a better Christian today because of
chaplaincy. Because sometimes you can hide behind

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your title. You really can,
because if you're a pastor, people think

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you're praying that people know that you're
studying the Word of God. But you

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can hide behind your title. But
when you become a chaplain you are out

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there with those who may not treat
you the best, but can you still

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love them the best? We out
there with people who may call you out

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of your name. How will you
respond to that? But chaplaincy said,

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listen, it's not about this person
that is causing you to feel a certain

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way. It's what God is trying
to expose in us. That really what's

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in our hearts that He wants to
be revealed. Because whatever God can reveal

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in our hearts, chaplaincy will help
you to see what you've been confessing.

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You need to be tested when you
confess, look for a test, and

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chaplains He give you a greater opportunity
to do that. Now, within the

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three and a half years, God
has taken us from a little small area

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here in the Greensboro, North Carolina
area, we are now cross the nation.

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We're into Canada, now we're in
Kenya. Now we're getting ready to

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go to Uganda, We're getting ready
to go to Tanza Ninita, and we

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get ready to go to the Philippines. Just because I said yes to chaplain

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over at a small company, I
did not know what I was asking for.

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I didn't know what a chaplain was
in a small business setting, but

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God showed me something. I believe
they have now proven that that was the

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right thing to do. So with
that said, we started our school and

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again the Lord had just provided.
He has opened up so many doors.

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I'm going into churches not trying to
change train their parishioners and their spiritual leaders

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to know what to do in crisis. The goal for Christians in the marketplace

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in the chaplaincy program is to have
teams of chaplain all over the world.

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I would love to be able to
know that there is a crisis in my

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city and about fifty or sixty or
seventy chaplain can show up at one time

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within an hour time in your city. In your city, that is the

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goal. Can you imagine what that
would look like if there's a crisis in

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your city and seventy to eighties chaplain
from many denominations show up for the purpose

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to be the hand and fit of
Jesus Christ. I want the media to

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get a hold of that because that's
going to change the landscape of Christianity.

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Matter of fact, I believe it's
going to reset Christianity because as you know

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and I know, christ sanity has
taken a back seat. But I believe

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that chaplaincy is gonna change you from
the inside out. I've never loved harder

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being a chaplain than I do right
now. I don't I don't see.

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I don't see what the world want
to show me. I'm seeing what God

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is showing me. And that is
every chance I get to love people.

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I'm gonna do that because it helps
me just as much as it helps them.

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So that is just a quick introduction
to chaplaincy as we are now taking

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it to another level. And uh, and it's on the rise. Chaplainea

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is on the ride, and you're
gonna start hearing more about chaplaincy because it's

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it's resetting Christianity. People the world
don't is pushing back against these mainstream denominations.

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But but when you say that you
are a chaplain they they kind of

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open doors. They get a little
bit relaxed because they know you're coming for

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the right reason. And that's what
that's why we have to take full advantage

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of chaplaincy now while it still has
a good name, and I'm hoping that

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it will continue to have a good
name. So I hope that a little

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bit. Yes, yes, sir, you you really contince that really nice,

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because we have eight weeks of twelve
weeks, ten weeks. It's a

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twelve week program. It's a ten
weeks, ten weeks, ten weeks,

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two nights a week, ten weeks, and you can choose a two night

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a weeker or you could do it
full a Saturday and do the four hours.

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But it changed my nay too,
and I had no idea. Yeah,

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two hours on Saturday, two hours, two hours on I'm sorry,

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this is an hour. Yeah,
I'm sorry that. But I can remember

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what I was as working as a
discharge planner at our local hospital here in

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Orlando, and the chaplains, you
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suits on and everything. And I
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It was the good old boys,
and they were there nice, but you

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know, they were like, you
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we're the Chaplains. And so I
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take? I mean much education and
blah blah blah. And he was telling

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me, oh, well, you'll
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do that, and you have to
these many years. And I'm like,

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okay. So I said, y'all
have a good day. That's for you.

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It looks good on you. I'm
going this way and had no idea

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when I went through the most changing
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and I'm like, okay, God. And I was really on my computer

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and I was just looking at things
on Facebook, and I said, chapelain,

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see chaplain Christians in the marketplace.
I said, hm, so of

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course, inquisitive minds I want to
know. And I tapped on this one

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thing. Next thing, I know, I'm going to an orientation. I'm

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like, wait a minute, when
did that happen? And it was the

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price was right. I had nothing
else to do. I was in recovery.

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You know it's in the evening.
I could puck, I could choose

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my nights. Why not? And
since I just someone had just ministered to

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me and said, well, you
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about you know, why she's not
doing community work, she said, and

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she called me. No, she
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she said, miss Nighting, you're
for the marketplace. You know, that's

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what You're the social worker, you're
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in the marketplace. She had just
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this in orientation and I'm like,
okay, guy, you're talking to me.

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I can't. I can't. This
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this up. This will be good, this will get me back into the

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swing of things. I got to
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listening. Nobody's gonna pay attention to
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I don't have to say anything,
I don't have to prove anything. And

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here we go. And next thing
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it's about thirteen fifteen of us on
my nights. And it was so funny,

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and some of them were pastors,
and they you know pastors can kind

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of try to take over stuff.
But he would just nicely as a fatherhood

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crab, right a back and say, okay, you will get this roll

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over the test if you don't embrace
the fact that chat I'm talking about being

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a chaplain, not being a pastor, that people would wear their callers to

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the show im into the classroom.
I'm like, you know what, y'all,

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you just won't let go. But
he was the best teacher. He

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recognized the room, but he knew
how to deal with us. He knew

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how to let us be. We
had to bed sometimes, and that's one

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thing you do, just as a
sidebar being a college professor, there were

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times I could not start teaching.
I would take attendance and drop the pin

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and say, okay, y'all talk
to me, what's going on? Because

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the folks brought in life with them, whatever was occurring that day, whatever

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was occurring in the family businesses are
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They're people, they're human, and
they have issues. And many have turned

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away from the church unfortunately, so
you know they're not going to if there's

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five churches in their neighborhood, they're
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hey, you know what, if
it's okay, can I put a

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prayer box here and if y'all need
prayer dropping in, I won't deserve anybody.

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I'll come by once a week,
I'll pick up the box and I'll

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just pray. Just know that somebody's
praying for you. Guys. If you

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need negotiation, whatever the case may
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So I've learnt a lot and everything
now that we are and again going

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back to dealing with the you know, we're in a chaotic time now.

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Yes, the world has flipped and
it's flipped and it's gonna flip again because

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we've got no we don't have a
rumor of war. We've got a pending

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war that and a couple of them. You know, where do we fit

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in at that? At this point? Because you know, business is here

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in Orlando. I don't know about
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especially in Orlando, businesses are closing
every day. Restaurants are closing literally every

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week. I don't even know if
they're given their staff time to know that,

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don't come in we're gonna be closed. Because I drive by the restaurants

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closed shades are down. Where do
those people go? And you close not

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one location, They're closing five locations. Stores are closing. People are angry.

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I mean I can I can't walk
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not complained and and just angry.
They bring the anger in the store with

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them. So where do we fit
in at this point? And then let

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guys, you all you know what
to do. Now. I'm gonna be

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quiet. But you know, y'all, y'all can talk. Ask them some

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question. They'll be laughing past it
or be laughing. I told you I'm

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a social worker. I can't talk
anybody. I really can't, but I've

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a left past the doctor. Kate
answer that. But yeah, what do

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we fit in? And where did
Chaplains fit in at this point? And

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you you all answer your questions next, Well, well, let me just

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share this with you because again I
think sometimes we don't realize the opportunity that

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we have at chaplains. One of
the biggest thing is that we as chaplains.

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As I have found and I'm learning
and I'm continuing to teach this is

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that there is a conversion that takes
place, a continual conversion that's taken place

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when you deal with people who may
not be like you, talk like you,

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smell like you, look like you. And how do that work work

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in the Kingdom of God? And
I know chaplaincy what it has done for

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me is that it takes something that
was inside me and start to examine and

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to evaluate how much of this is
like God and how much is not.

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So Now, you've been in you've
been in a safe environment, you've been

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in your churches, you've been in
your communities. But chaplaincy take you outside

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of that. So were you were
now comfortable, you become uncomfortable for the

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purpose of Christ only so we die
daily. We die daily, So chaplaincy

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is a form of dying daily.
Now with all the things that's happening now

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within our world, especially when it
comes to disaster, people want to know

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who cares for me. And a
lot of time it's not so much going

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in with a gospel gun telling them
how much Jesus loved them. And if

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you don't get saved today, this
is the reason why this disaster happened.

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It's because Jesus wants you to draw
near to him. No sometime and most

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of the time, if not all
the time, they just want to know,

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is there someone who truly cares for
me or they want a photo op

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for whatever reason. And as a
pastor one we can love people and we

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can care for people because pastoring is
a gift. But chaplaincy is a calling.

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Chaplaincy is something that you yourself.
Have to realize that I have something

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inside of me that is hindering me
to love everybody, to love everybody,

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and that has been shattered in my
life because oh the hindreds of revealing Christ.

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We should never be in a position
where we should we cut we can't

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reveal Christ. I don't care what
whether it's political, whether it's race,

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whether it's different denomination. We should
never ever been in a position as believers

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to not be able to reveal Christ
on a daily basis. And whatever hinder

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us from bringing Him forth is not
the other person or the party or the

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race. It's what's inside. The
Bible tells us there's a war inside of

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us, and if we're not winning
the war inside of us, then everybody

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on outside of us become like an
enemy or become suspect because of the war

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that's inside of us. So we
get the war that we win. We

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win the war, and we can
because greatest he that's in us than he

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that's in the world, we can
win this war. Therefore, those that

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we encounter, we have a better
opportunity to win in them to the Lord

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and not just trying to find out
whether or not I'm gonna, you know,

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save face here or self justification just
because I don't want my feelings to

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be hurt. Well, dead men, dead women don't have feelings. I'm

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just saying, when you die to
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I'm just saying. So the idea, if you're having a question,

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please ask me about chaplaincy, because
again I'm at this space now where that

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chaplaincy is really all in my vein. I mean, I just live and

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eat chaplaincy because it's just a beautiful
opportunity to serve in the Kingdom. Any

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questions, well, I have to
agree again, thank you doctor Koontz for

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joining us. And I have to
agree with what with one of the things

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that you said that whenever we ask
myself when I introduce myself as a pastor,

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automatically everybody's like, just like you
said, what church. But I

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kind of have to put a spin
on it because I kind of have fun

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with what I do. And I'm
like, welcome to my church wherever I'm

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at, because that's what my church
is, wherever I'm at. And all

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of a sudden, people are just
like you just you catch them off guard

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because they didn't expect that answer.
So it's it's it's interesting that you said

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that, and and you also brought
up a very good point, and that

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is that we have to be comfortable
being uncomfortable. And that is such a

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very that's such a profound statement because
that's the whole point of our ministry because

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if we're if we're doing what we
feel comfortable about, then that creates us

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to be lazy. And and to
me, God doesn't want us to be

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lazy. He wants us to be
active. And to me, that's that

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is so And many people, it's
very easy to roll out of your mouth

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to say, oh, God made
me to be uncomfortable. To be uncomfortable,

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but it makes you, it pushes
you, it makes you. I

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got to do this today because this
is what I've been appointed to do.

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And this is where a lot of
people don't understand what their calling is.

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And we all have a purpose because
that's the whole point of creation. We

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were created for the kingdom, not
for our comfortability and our skin, but

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for the kingdom. And you touched
on my favorite verse Galatians two twenty.

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Every morning, every morning, my
wife and I close out our morning prayers

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crucifying ourselves onto the cross, for
it no longer I live when Jesus lives.

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Absolutely that we live and breathe that, because it's true. Amen once

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you once we die, hm,
all there's room is for Jesus Christ's Amen,

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you know. And and this is
why, as you said, being

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a pastor is a calling or or
a gift as you call it, because

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you can read it in Ephesians four, that it is given as a gift,

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and and and and and and how
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Touch on another point, And I'm
sorry, Trey, I know you're

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you're chomping at the bit there,
but what you said is so true that

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those who are in the pastor world, we're as I call it, the

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analogy that as a pastor, we
are in a fish bowl. And when

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you see a fish in a fish
bowl, the fish seems larger than what

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it actually is. So everything that
a pastor does is magnified even larger and

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that and to me, that is
probably the most difficult challenge that we go

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and where we walk them, because
if we read throughout the Bible, you

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have the Pharisees and the Sadducees that
we're putting Christ in that fish bowl so

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they can be able to see any
irregularities. And Jesus would turn it around

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and saying, and your and your
teachers and your and you don't know this.

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So this is why I understand now. I did write down a question.

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You said that chapel chapel, chapel
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that mean that you're covering in in
in all types of businesses, because I

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know that there's chaplains in uh.
I know doctor Tony Evans was the chaplain

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chaplain for the Dallas Cowboys and then
his son Anthony took over and and and

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it just kind of give us an
idea exactly what's really involved. And how

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does one approach a business and saying
I would like to help you, or

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if you're willing to accept us,
how can we help you. I think

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that's a great question. There's actually
two companies. One is called Marketplace Chaplain

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U s A and the one another
one is called Chapelain of America. Those

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are the two main companies that hired
chaplain to go into corporations were there five

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hundred and more employees. I deal
with some of the smaller businesses maybe twenty

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to thirty to maybe fifth employees,
because they also need chaplaining service as well.

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Because people are working. Wherever people
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That's how we live. So when
you talk about chaplain in the marketplace,

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one of the things that people don't
realize is that there's so many opportunity

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for you and the believers and the
parishioners within the church to actually serve as

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chaplain. And companies in companies,
law firms, doctor's office, Tyson,

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food's, General Electric, they have
chaplains to go in and talk to their

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employees. Matter of fact, they
find out that it's better, in some

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cases, a better perk for the
employees because they have family issues, they

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have financial issues, they have death, they have grief, they have all

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the things that we normally as pastor
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of those do not have a church. They don't have a pastor. But

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can you imagine someone coming there and
a place of five hundred people and yet

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being able to serve them and to
love on them as if they were the

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pastor. And what a great opportunity. Then you start to pull out of

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yourself more so because when you in
the four walls, and speaking of the

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four walls, the church has now
become a bushel, and everybody now light

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is in the bushel. And the
Bible said, do not put your light

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in a bushel. Well, the
church has become the bushel because that's where

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all the lights are. I'm trying
to get people out of the bushel to

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be able to go to the workplace. The word work simply mean worship,

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means avadd is a Hebrew word mean
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worship. So when people go to
work, they literally going to worship.

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But if you don't know this,
and if you don't know, you will

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treat your job as if the devil
gave it to you himself. But that's

407
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the same job that you pray for
that God will open that door for you.

408
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So now you work and you go
home, and you get into this

409
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spend cycle every day and it doesn't
change until you find someone who would be

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willing to sit down with you and
hold your hand. I can tell you

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a quick story. The owner of
that company. She held my hand.

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She was crying. She said,
I don't know what I want to do.

413
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I put everything into this company.
I said, do you trust God?

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Do you do? You? Give
this company to God? Today?

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Give this company to God. And
I'm gonna believe within a matter of five

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months it's gonna turn around. And
it did. And now she has two

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locations. She's in Greensboro, she's
in Raleigh, and now she's doing a

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lot with her company. She got
up to twenty five employees now. So

419
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God has really shown herself faithful.
And I've still be still served her as

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the chaplain in her company. So
one of the things, yes, Corporate

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America is looking for chaplaincy. Matter
of fact, they have opened it now.

422
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They have opened it. Now if
you were to call one of those

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organizations Marketplace Chaplain USA, or you
can call Corporate Chaplain of America, they

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may have and they nationwide. They
may have an opportunity for you to work

425
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either part time. But this is
a great thing because now you can actually

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go in and get paid. Now, another solution is that if you're in

427
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a church. In your church member
members, they have businesses. You can

428
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ask them if can I be a
chaplain for your business, and they will

429
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see how well it goes. They
may just even bring you on as a

430
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:05.239
part time or full time chaplain for
their own company. And you have these

431
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.000
opportunities right there in your church.
And that's why I tell every pastor,

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if you've got a spiritual leader,
if you have business owner, implore or

433
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either deplore your parishioners to become chaplain
in the various businesses. Now, as

434
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:28.639
a small business chaplain, you can
go downtown and you can have five small

435
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.280
businesses that you can meet with every
week. Put a prayer box in every

436
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.599
one of those. If they allow
you, you got customers and you got

437
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.039
employees, they can go and they
can actually write cars out. Because that's

438
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.119
what that happens. When I go
to the one that's in the that I

439
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:51.719
do on a weekly basis or biweekly
basis, I go in and I have

440
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.199
that prayer box. As chaplain Lesia
said, I have the prayer box,

441
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.440
and I go in and I look
at the prayer boxes who I need to

442
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.119
pray for. So you can do
that for four or five company, a

443
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.519
barber shop, our heir salon,
a boutique, a coffee shop. You

444
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.960
have a coffee shop. I just
met a lady who had just opened up

445
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one. It's a Christian company,
So we're gonna start having grief classes in

446
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.880
her coffee shop. That's just how
that's if you want to ministry that.

447
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.320
If you want to get outside the
four walls. That's if you want to

448
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:29.000
go and demonstrate the true love of
God. That's if you want to do

449
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.719
that. If not, then I
get the four wall. We'll work for

450
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you. Any other questions, No, no question, But I would like

451
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.679
this is this is great. I
mean as a lay person on this panel,

452
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so I just feel privileged to be
amongst you all. I mean,

453
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:55.280
just to hear the perspective of chaplaincy
and pastorship. Well, one thing that

454
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you said, doctor Koontz, is
and I think we had a discussion on

455
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the panel before about comfort levels going
into church, but there are also some

456
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:13.639
discomfort levels of people going into four
walls or church as well, because it

457
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:19.000
can be intimidating. And the reason
I'm saying I've seen it before where people

458
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might have this idea or expectation of
what they need to bring or do once

459
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.159
they get inside of the four walls. Do they have the right molding on?

460
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.599
Can they afford the offering? Will
people be looking at what they're putting

461
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.719
into the offering plate? You know? Am I gonna say the right thing?

462
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.000
Do they know what I'm going through? Can they read through me?

463
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.039
How they're gonna judge me? And
so the chaplaincy I think is a unique

464
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:51.679
spin on it still being able to
get, you know, worship and have

465
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.039
your faith and talk with someone because
there are churches. You have some people

466
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.480
that have been hurt by the church, they don't even want to go.

467
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.639
And with THEE I see as an
opportunity where it takes away some of the

468
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:08.719
intimidation and not being as formal to
receive what it is you need to receive

469
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:14.400
to draw closer to your faith.
And so and I really want to commend

470
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that because, like I said,
I've seen that and I've heard people say

471
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.559
that I don't know what I'm supposed
to do once I get in there,

472
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.760
and you feel that, you know, you feel that when people are looking

473
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:31.199
at you. You know, I
can't afford to buy dressy clothes or I

474
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:36.159
just have a little bit and let's
face it, there are some churches that

475
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.880
make you feel less than when you
walk inside, and so that can deter

476
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.119
a lot of people. So my
hats are really off to you all,

477
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.760
and I feel really honored and privileged
to be on the panel with you,

478
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.679
the three of you. But well, thank you so much for that comment.

479
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.519
And I totally agree with you that
we do need to do a reset

480
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with the churches. I think the
church has lost the focus. The mainstream

481
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.760
churches have lost the focus. But
I do believe that God is going to

482
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.960
use uh, the ordinaris, not
not the not the one who have the

483
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:16.079
bling, the gleam and the popularity. I believe that God is going to

484
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:22.079
use the ordinary, just the simple, ordinary ministry who have a heart,

485
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.760
who people want to hear truth.
They just want to hear truth without the

486
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.920
lights. And I'm not I'm not
saying anything about those who have the lights.

487
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.559
I'm just saying it comes to time. It comes to time where that

488
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:42.360
when people really need help, when
they really need help, will they go

489
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.840
to the church first. If people
who need help, and I'm not just

490
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.440
talking about financial help, I'm talking
about spiritual help. If the if their

491
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.639
first thought is not going to the
church, then something has we have lost

492
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:58.239
something. But if we can take
the church to the people now, because

493
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.880
now the sheep has become the shepherd, and the shepherd has become the sheep,

494
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:08.599
that's not how it's designed. Because
the shepherd is trying, is moving

495
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:15.320
at the beat of the sheep.
And because as you stated, if you

496
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.719
don't fit the mold, then you're
going to feel very uncomfortable going to this

497
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.000
church. And I know that's not
what God designed for the church. That's

498
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:29.480
why I'm I'm a pastor and I
have a building. I'm renting a building

499
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:38.199
from a college theological college seminary chapel. That's what we hold our church.

500
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.639
But I'm only meeting once a month
now and the rest of my service is

501
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.719
virtual because of the people that I'm
reaching for near and I'm able to do

502
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:52.800
it better here. But I do
meet once a month with the parishioners there

503
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.920
because I just want to abide by
the scripture. Is not forsaking the symbol

504
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.760
of yourself as you see that draw
near so, but just to agree with

505
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:09.079
you that this is something that we
all need to be aware of, is

506
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:15.559
how we invite people in and people
since that they know when you care.

507
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:21.320
People know when you care, people
know that you're there for the right reason.

508
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:29.119
There's something about us genetically and spiritually
we know when people care. It's

509
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.119
like a built in mechanism, a
censor that this person cares for me.

510
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.599
They're here for the right reason,
and they will open up, they will

511
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.679
open up and they will start to
share with you. And that's why,

512
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.679
as you said the pastor earlier,
I mean, the marketplace is my church.

513
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.000
That's my church. And I'm not
ashamed to say that, because again,

514
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.800
I don't want to get trapped.
I don't want to get sucked into

515
00:42:54.840 --> 00:43:00.480
a traditional form a pastor. When
Jesus was never like that. What was

516
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:07.239
the name of his church? Matter
of fact, where did he get all

517
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.639
of his disciples? Where did his
disciple come from? Not one bishop,

518
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:20.000
not one elder, not one pharisee, not one Saturday City, not one

519
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:29.159
yet, no, no spiritual leader
was part of his discipleship program. They

520
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:37.039
were all from the marketplace Jesus.
Jesus performed forty two known miracle, thirty

521
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:44.360
nine of those miracles gets where they
were You got it in the marketplace,

522
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:52.119
because that's where he did his ministry. He was a confider he was a

523
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:59.639
fisher. So again, I'm just
trying to follow after his path, that's

524
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.159
all I'm I'm just I see his
path work and I'm looking at how he

525
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.280
did it, and he just didn't
stay in the church too long. And

526
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:14.440
when he did, he was in
and out. He was in and out

527
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.159
trade to fool you. He's a
social worker. Go ahead, I was

528
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.639
just gonna say real quick, I
was gonna say real quick that doctor Kuhon

529
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:30.760
said something that that in sales,
it's absolutely essential. Don't don't tell people

530
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:37.320
what you know, show people that
you care. And that works so well

531
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:44.159
in our field because we can tell
all the scriptures. But if we don't

532
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:50.559
care, our scriptures mean nothing.
Absolutely And where the world is right now,

533
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:55.159
they can see you from a distance, they can read you. They

534
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:01.679
could they they wouldn't they know.
But getting back to trad she's from my

535
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.199
hometown, but she now lives in
Virginia. She's been living in Virginia for

536
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.840
a while. But don't let her
fool you. She can hit through streets,

537
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:15.280
she can bring resources. She's all
about advocacy and community engagement. So

538
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.000
you may see her probably. I
think we got a couple more sessions coming

539
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.800
up this year, so she may
pop in on one of your classes and

540
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:28.239
just go ahead and have another little
you know, shingle to hang another little

541
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.400
banner if I could talk her into
it, so it would be a great

542
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.280
fit. It'll be a great fit. Tray, It's what we do.

543
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.679
It's what we do. And you
don't have to you don't have to memorize

544
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.000
scriptures and all this kind of stuff. You live in and you just could

545
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.159
share what your favorite scripture is.
All right, but God will lead you.

546
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.280
But that's the key about being in
the marketplace. It's how God leads

547
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.519
you. We go out, we
do that assessment, We do that assessment.

548
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:59.280
What would that company need? Amen? What kind of issues do they

549
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.400
have? Amen? How can we
help them? What can we teach them?

550
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.840
Are they teachable? Are they not
so much trainable? Are you teachable?

551
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:14.119
And it's a different flow. It's
a different flow because I was really

552
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.000
concerned. I know, we only
got a couple more minutes, but I

553
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:20.880
was concerned in the class because I've
been a social worker all my life,

554
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.280
you know. And then I'm I'm
I'm a minister and I'm licensed, and

555
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.119
I'm like, okay, so I
have to choose a day. Okay,

556
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.880
on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I'm a
chaplain to make sure I have drilled in

557
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.480
my head so that I won't be
you know. But we still have to

558
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.440
have our little toolkit of resources.
We have to hand out our pamphlets,

559
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.239
let them know, Hey, you
need to go to this community town hall

560
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:50.599
meeting because they're gonna be talking about
the flood zones in your area. So

561
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.639
we're gonna be We still have to
share information. We still have to be

562
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.719
aware of that, and we just
have to give people that time. Sometimes

563
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.559
they just sit there and they just
cry. You just have to stand and

564
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:05.440
sit with them and be with them, create that safe space. Don't say

565
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.320
a word, amen, Amen,
just be there and like you say,

566
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.199
any last We only got a couple
of minutes, sir, about two minutes,

567
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.440
three minutes. If you want to
just add something else you would like

568
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:22.199
to to just let our audience know, or whatever's on your heart, sir,

569
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.079
yeah, your heart. Well,
we are starting out. We thank

570
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:30.639
you, thank you so much.
We are starting our summer session Chaplain our

571
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.920
program teaching and started in July to
sixth that's our first classes on a Saturday.

572
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.199
We're taking registrations now for that.
So again you can go to our

573
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:46.639
website. It's CIMP. We are
cimp dot com and there's more information that

574
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.199
you can glean from that website.
Just continue to pray for us. We

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00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:57.400
do a devotion a Christians in the
Marketplace devotion every Monday morning at six thirty

576
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.840
and we do a prayer call at
seven o'clock. Is well and one other

577
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.880
things in my clothing is that when
when we think about pastorship and you look

578
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.400
around in your congregation, whether you're
a pastor or whether you're a leader of

579
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.760
the church, and you ask yourself
how many percent what is the percentage of

580
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.039
people that's in our church that actually
go to work? And when you start

581
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.880
to think about the number of people
who go to work who now have contact

582
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:32.400
and connection with other people on their
job, that they can literally be the

583
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:37.400
extension of the church. One of
the best way to do that is through

584
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:44.760
chaplaincy. If you if you would
have even people who are working full time

585
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:51.760
jobs, they can still serve as
a chaplain We had one graduate that works

586
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.920
on his job, is an employee
on his job. After he's got his

587
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:00.880
chaplaincy degree or and his license,
they brought him on as a chaplain of

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00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.920
the company, which is almost unheard
of. He's an employee, but yet

589
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.920
he's still the chaplain for their company, so you know, he has to

590
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:15.239
be living a life that he can
serve in that capacity and still be an

591
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.480
employee and a manager of that company. So I just want to encourage you

592
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:23.039
all to continue to pray for US
Christians in the Marketplace in any other ministry

593
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.320
that's doing the will of God.
And if you know anyone who will interested

594
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.239
in want to know more about our
program, we have a cured a coming

595
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:37.920
up on July the first. You
can go to our Facebook page Christians in

596
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:43.639
the Marketplace and you can see that
log in for the zone call and if

597
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.599
you have any more question about the
Chaplainship program, we can help you and

598
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:53.239
give you more information about that.
Amen and amen, thank you sir so

599
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.039
much, thank you, thank you, thank you for being on. Really

600
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.360
appreciate you and everything. But that's
our time, so I will we will

601
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:07.000
see you all next week, same
time, same station. Y'all be blessed,

602
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.599
take care by about you, BLA