Feb. 24, 2025

The Difference Between Religion & Spirituality

The Difference Between Religion & Spirituality

definitions, actions behaviors, mindsets, scripture based

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definitions, actions behaviors, mindsets, scripture based

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Well, good evening, good evening.

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Oh here we go, pastor you go ahead and you

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leave with prayer, I'm gonna come back.

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It's not.

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Well. We're having a little technical issue with miss Gray's computer.

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So she'll she'll, she'll join us quickly, and let's go

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ahead and earn this time over to our Lord Father.

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We're so grateful and thankful for this opportunity to come

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to your presence. Lord. We know that we do face

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challenges and obstacles when we're about to talk about you,

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and that's okay because we know who has the final word.

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But we also know Lord that just a matter of

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remaining focused on you understanding that your words are going

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to be spoken, not ours, and that your message is

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going to be delivered and not ours. And Lord, we're

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grateful and thankful for this opportunity that we are here

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in your presence, with the listeners as well. And Lord

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we turn this show over to you. This is about

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you and not about us, and for you to be

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glorified and honored. And Lord we get behind the cross

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because Lord you lead the way in every possible way,

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because you are truth and the light. And Lord love you,

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pray all this in your mighty gloriousness. Amen. Amen, Well,

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I just want to say thank you for joining us,

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and we are here. We're we're going to be touching

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a pretty pretty strong topic and this is how the

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show runs. Counter Cea came up with a question. He

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wanted to know the difference between religion and spirituality. We

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got together, we discussed it, and then here we are.

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We we are here to help clear and unconfused what's

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going on out there, because it's all about talking to

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you and delivering the message. And it's okay. We know

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Miss Gray's going to join us. Here she is, and we.

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Are all about in care of our audience and delivering

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in a way that we're going to make sure that

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we touch on those topics that you want to talk about.

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Amen, good evening, good evening, good evening.

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Oh devil is stupid all the time.

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Well, I know you all have you know, got things

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started here, We're going in and out.

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I don't know what that is.

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I just know that the Devil, he's pulling out all

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of his art. Larson m hmm.

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Every do his best.

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Two keep us confused, get us distracted.

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This is the time someone yesterday. He's a prince of

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the air, and so he's gonna do these things, and

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we just got to push forward, got to push forward. Well,

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tonight is very strategic and important. All the topics we

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talk about are very important. But tonight night it's very strategic.

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And the Devil.

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I can't speak with my co host, but I know

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he pulled out some stops today to try to get

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me really play off track, really discombobe laated. He came

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after my poor legged friend and as I'm driving her

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to the vet, thank god they could see her today,

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I said, Devil, you've messed with the wrong fact and

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I will I will find out. Let's get started How

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was everybody's weekend and week and all that good stuff?

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It's good in yours?

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Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me?

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Hear you? Yes?

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Oh okay, then you y'all paused too much?

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What's going on?

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How's everybody?

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The weekend was good?

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Yes, it was good. Actually a good weekend, kind of

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peaceful weekend.

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M hm okay, okay, fastor you.

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Yeah.

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We had a relaxing day here at the Treasure Coast

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for the Space Coast and just really enjoying the the

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weekend and we were able to spend some time with

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the grandchildren and the children and just connecting and really

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being thankful for the blessings that we have been provided

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and something not to take for granted, but it's always

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something that we have to strive for and and just

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continue to connecting because that's what we were, that's the

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purpose that we have here. Can hear you?

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Can't hear you? Miss Gray?

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All right, so.

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That's what you.

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Okay, folks, this is what we're gonna do. Miss Gray.

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Can you go on the computer, take the phone and

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call in because you always have such wonderful things to

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teach us and tell us. I need oh she left

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us going to get her to call in on the

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phone so we can hear her. So you guys take

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over for wait a minute, so I can get her

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on here.

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Okay, we can do that. We can do that so

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as we can as as as we can all see that.

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We definitely this is live. This is no oh yeah,

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oh yeah, misty hi, missy, yeah we have it's off

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of Port Canaveral and that's where it does go out

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once a day. So that's something that people and to do.

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And it looks like miss Gray is on board. Now

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let's see can you hear me? Thank? Thing is perfect?

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All right, Well we'll go from there. So it's okay,

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well out smart yeah amen amen.

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Well there's a will there will always be away.

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Amen. Amen.

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So we we know, we know this is not something unusual.

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Oh boy, so we're hearing you clear this Gray.

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It it was her, Yeah, her, she's frozen.

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Oh she froze, Yeah, she froze, but she I think

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revel sator. She called in. So we we what we'll

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do is what kind of kind of move forward.

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So this way we're not being distracted, because that's that's

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what the idea of the attack. The attack is so right, the.

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Name Jesus, I claim, and I declare, and I decree

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all all spirits that want to obstruct, get in the

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way prevent this message to come through. We're going to

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rebuke it.

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By the blood of Jesus Christ. We know, we know,

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and I declare and decreate it. It's going to happen.

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So, so I got a question, so, pastor, because I

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know we're going to touch on religion versus spirituality. Correct,

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So when I so when I think about it, because

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someone had to correct me, spirits are not always good.

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Just like you you just kind of mentioned, you know,

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kind of rebuking the spirits that are trying to prevent

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us from going forward with this podcast.

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But spirits can be.

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Negative spirits as well.

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Correct, That's correct.

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So I I just want to kind of put it

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out there because I think sometimes when people talk about spirituality,

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we're thinking about the godly or the relationship that you

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have in your belief and so spirituality that's negative.

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Correct. Right, Now, here's where we have to really understand it.

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And what I really want to do is I want

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to go really really slowly, and I find it that

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it's going to be absolutely important that we go slowly

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because I don't.

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Want to blow the doors off off of somebody and

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have them completely confused. Okay, okay, And what I want

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to do is I first want to discuss and I'm

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going to pull it up here and it's going to

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be Genesis chapter one. I'm going to go right to

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the beginning Genesis chapter one, and I am going to

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go through Versus twenty six in twenty seven, okay, And

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so so here what I'm going to read is based

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on Versus twenty six. Then God said, let us make

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man in our image according to our likeness. Okay, And

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I'm going to stop right there, because what we need

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to understand is what does it mean by let us

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make man in our image according to our ban likeness?

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Right?

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So this is where we have to first ask, okay,

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what does God look like? And this is where we

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would have to go. And I'm gonna jump around a

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little bit, and if anybody's taking down notes, just write

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down the verses so this way you understand where I'm

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getting this. So going back, we're going to we're going

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to look at what does God look like? Let us

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make man in our image? So by going to now

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going to John chapter four, and we're going to go

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to verses twenty four. Right at the beginning, you're going

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to see God is spirit. So right off the bat,

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you're wanting to know what God looks like. God is

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a spirit.

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Okay.

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So here now we're putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

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So now we're looking at God wants to make us

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like him. Okay, you're with me so far. So now

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now that we understand what God looks like, we're going

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to go now to Genesis. Back to Genesis, and we're

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going to look at chapter two, verse six. Okay, miss

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Gray is here with us. So now ooop, not six,

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that's seven. Okay, mis greg verse seven. We can hear

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you I said, miss Gray is here with us. Oh okay, great, okay,

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So now that we know, now that we know that

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we were created like God, we're created a spirit. While

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Genesis chapter two, verse seven, look what it says, and

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the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground.

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So here we have to look at God created us

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in his image and he formed man out of the dirt.

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So that body that was formed from the dirt, the

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spirit is put into that body that was formed to

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hold the spirit in So here is what we have

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to understand. That we have God in us in the

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spiritual form, we have Jesus Christ in us in a

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spiritual form.

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We have.

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In a spiritual form. So here is where we have

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to understand what spirituality is. But prior to even the

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world to be created, God created all of the angels.

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So this was all happened. This all happened in eternity past.

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And this is why we have to understand that there

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is a physical realm and a spiritual realm. And what

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we're trying to do is we're trying to put into

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perspective something that we're not designed to be doing. We

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have to be thinking and looking and seeing and hearing spiritual.

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But we have this body that we are, that we

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have been given. So that's why I want to kind

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of dub it down a little bit because it can

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get a little overwhelming for those who don't understand a

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Bible in itself, because here is where if we go

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too deep, we're going to lose people. And that's why

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I don't want to lose anybody. But here is where

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we have to understand something else. People feel that when

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we're talking about religion that it incorporates spirituality, and I

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have to tell you that's where mankind gets themselves into trouble. Now,

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a lot of people feel that Christianity is an old religion. Well,

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I kind of had to break out my school material

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because I learned this back in twenty twenty when I

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was going to seminary and when we tut when country

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S brought this out, I said, Okay, I gotta find

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this because this is really good information. And people don't

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really realize that Christianity is not the oldest religion. What

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is the oldest religion, believe it or not, is Hinduism.

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Hinduism started out in fifteen hundred BC, and that followed

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by Judaism. The Jewish belief came was founded in one thousand,

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four hundred and forty C. So, as you can see,

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Judaism came after Hinduism, then Christianity, and there's a couple

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of other religions that are behind that. After Judaism and

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Christianity was founded in thirty AD. How interesting it was

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after the turn from BC to AD. Now, if we

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look at Matthew chapter sixteen, when Jesus was talking to

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the disciples and asked the disciples who do people think.

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everything else. But we have Peter who was born with

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his foot in his mouth. Peter was the one that said,

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you are the living God, you are the Son of God.

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answer that but he didn't learn from the books. This

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was an answer that was given to him by us

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by the Holy Spirit. And that's why Jesus said, upon

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this rock, I will build my church, hence the beginning

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of Christianity. So this is where we have to understand

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that even though Judaism is much older than Christianity, Judaism

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was following what God had given them. And on top

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of the ten Commandments, after they came down, they came

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up with another six hundred and three laws. So there

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was a total of six hundred and thirteen.

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Laws that the.

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Jews had to follow, so they can be able to

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be within the path that God has put them on.

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we tend to do what we want to do. We

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want to be individuals, we tend to be rebellious, and

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that all stemmed from the rebelliousness of the Jewish community

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when they were in the desert for forty day, for

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forty for forty years. So this is why we have

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to understand that our rebelliousness came from somewhere and it

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and that's why the Bible is such a living book.

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It's a book that is totally alive. And we have

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to understand that the Old it's broken down into two

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Old Testament and New Testament. The Old Testament really gives

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you the foundation of the Jewish community and allows us

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to see the mistakes that have been made. But if

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we're not careful enough in the post New Testament days,

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we're making the same kind of mistakes that the Israelites

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were making when they were walking in the desert. And

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that's what a lot of people don't don't understand. But

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I do want to touch on something and I got

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to it. I've got to hand it over to miss

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Gray because wow, she can definitely keep this show running.

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And uh and and and I'm just a rookie at this.

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So it goes to show you what three years of

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experience can do. I want to share with you real

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quickly that, uh, how how accurate. The Bible is, and

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and I have and like I said, I had to

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dig through my archives here, and I want to share

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with you that the reliability of the New Testament documents. Okay,

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this is where you have actual witnesses that saw Jesus

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walk on this earth, okay, And that is that they

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have found five thousand, three hundred and sixty six copies okay,

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three hundred and sixty six copies fragments of the New

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Testament that were fifty years or more, books of the

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New Testament one hundred years or more, most of the

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New Testament written one hundred and fifty years ago, and

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then the complete New Testament two hundred and twenty five years.

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So they were able to accumulate five thousand, three hundred

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and sixty six copies of a manuscript of people documenting

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what occurred when Jesus walked on the earth. Now, the

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reason why I bring this up is Plato, who is

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a known philosopher. They've only found seven copies to document

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Plato's history. So it goes to show you and then Caesar,

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the gap between the original and the copies. Caesar, in

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the Galaic Wars, there's only ten copies. So this goes

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to show you that there were more people who were

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documenting and copying from the original manuscript so they can

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be able to keep the Bible alive. So today we

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are able to read all of the historical events that

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occurred back then, and that definitely shows how alive and

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how accurate the Bible is now. When they say accuracy,

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it has been shown that the copies on top of

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the copies on top of the copies are ninety five

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percent accurate. And the reason why ninety five percent, it's

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because during their when they were copying from other books,

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comma was misplaced in the wrong in the wrong spot,

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words were misspelled, periods were put in the wrong places,

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punctuation marks were basically attributing the accuracy of the Bible.

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And that's why we have to understand and what we

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read today have gone through the test of time to

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read for us to be able to read what has

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occurred from eyewitness testimony. So why do I use the

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word I witness testimony. According to the Book of John,

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John wrote about the love of Christ. John was there

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at such an early age and he was the only

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disciple that died at an old age. He wasn't martyred.

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He wasn't he didn't get tortured. In fact, you know,

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he wasn't tortured like the other disciples. He was set

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in an island in patmost than when he grew old

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and he was released. He wrote the Gospel of John

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back in eighty ninety a d. So we're talking about

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fifty to sixty years after Jesus died, and John documented

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everything that he needed to document. But what's most important

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here is John was one of the disciples, one of three,

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to be exact, who actually saw Christ glorify himself in

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the mountain during the Transformation. And you'll read about the

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transformation in Matthew seventeen where you have Peter, James, and

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John who went up to the mountain with Jesus. And

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that's where Jesus meant Moses and Isaiah in that mountain.

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glorified and most importantly, hearing God speak to them and saying,

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this is my beloved son. Listen to him. And this

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is where we have to take into account that his

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gospel is by far the most accurate, because he was

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there from the beginning all the way to the ascension

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where Jesus went and sat on the right side of

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God the Father. So I know, I've kind of unloaded

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a lot of information here, and I kind of want

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to pause here because I don't want to vomit information.

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kind of hear what you have to say.

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I mean, that was that was enlightening. So and I

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like how you you you broke it down like that,

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because it does make it a lot easier. And so

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it even provided me with even more clarification about that

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the Testiment, you know, the Old Testament, Old Testament, New Testament.

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How the audience if they kind of understand it, if

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it's something else that they want to go back, or

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you know, for something for you to repeat or need

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more clarification. But but for me, that was very helpful,

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especially you know, for my journey that I'm on right now.

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So well, and and here's here's It's interesting because I

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I had to do I'm still going to school, uh

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and and I'm just trying to get my next degree.

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simple questions I had to ask, and one of the

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questions was what type of evidence do you need to

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have to validate what you find as important? Now, the

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question is not meant to be religious, but the question

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is more of what is important to you and what

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kind of evidence do you need for you to say, Okay,

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this is this is enough proof for me to validate

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my belief in this. So it's it's an interesting question

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because it creates dialogue, it creates having a conversation, and

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that's what's so important. And I can't stress it enough.

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Too many people out there. Misty has the question that's

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going to be coming up here. Do we continue learning

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as we go like the Apostles did. The answer to that,

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Misty is yes, because here's here's something that in the

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Book of John, and I'm doing a Bible study. I'm

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doing a Bible study on the Book of John. And

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John wrote certain as I said that he wrote it

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fifty sixty years ago. And John wrote certain past in

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the past tense. And what do I mean by that?

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into Jerusalem after Lazarus was raised from the dead, many

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the disciples didn't understand why Jesus was getting on a donkey.

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People don't understand that that was prophesied back in the

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book of Isaiah as well as Zachariah prophets where the

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King of Israel was going to be riding on a donkey.

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the disciples when they were witnessing this, and they were

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experiencing this, they weren't hundred percent clear of what was transpiring.

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And John made sure that he had wrote that down

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because in our walk and in our journey, there's going

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to be moments that we're not going to understand what

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the Bible is saying to us. And this is why

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we just sit down, we pray, we read it again,

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we pray, and eventually it's going to come to you

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the wisdom that you're looking for to be able to

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understand the passage. Sometimes sometimes what's so important that we

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have to understand is if you have somebody who's a

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little more advanced in their walk, it always is valuable

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to talk to those individuals and saying, can you help

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me get a little clarification of what this passage is saying.

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reading this passage from the Book of Jeremiah, chapter eighteen,

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where God told Jeremiah go to the potter's house and

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I will give you the word. Isn't that interesting? God

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instructed Jeremiah to go to the potter's house and then

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he was going to deliver the message that needed to

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be delivered. Why didn't God deliver the message while Jeremiah

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was at his house because Jeremiah needed to be where

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God wanted him to be so then he can speak.

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This is what obedience is all about. And this is

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a true story. This happened on Saturday. My wife and

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I were getting ready to go to dinner. I'm guessing

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this is covering religion, but how does it? How does

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spiritual differ? Because okay, country c thank you for the question,

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thank you for joining us. And here's the question. Religion

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is not the same as spiritual. Religion is following patterns,

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following rituals. Spiritual is something completely different. Why is it

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completely different? Because we were designed to have a relationship

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with God the Father. I don't know if you just

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joined us, but we were created in his image, and

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because we were created in His image, we were created

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in a spiritual way for us to have a relationship

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with God the Father. You don't have a relationship if

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you're following rituals, if you're following dogma, if you're fi

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following what a preacher is saying and following what he's

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just saying, that's not a relationship. You're just following a leader.

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And sometimes we have to challenge that leader by asking questions,

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where does it say that in the Bible, and if

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the And that's one thing that I always suggest to

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those who attend the Bible studies in my church. I said,

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what I give you is what I have interpreted, but

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you are to read your Bible so you can be

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able to have the Spirit teach you, the Spirit anoint you,

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the Spirit direct you, the Spirit guide you. And that's

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something that I personally said in a sermon because if

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you look in and I wrote it here in Acts

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chapter ten, where Peter stated that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth,

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of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit. So, in other words,

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here is where we have to understand. Jesus walked on

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this planet because he was assigned by God. And if

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you look at John chapter one, verse fourteen, where the

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word the word is Jesus became flesh, so we have God, Jesus,

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the Holy Spirit had became flesh, and Jesus had to

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give up all of his glory so he can be

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able to be put into a flesh. And that's why

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we have to understand religion is not spirituality. Spirituality is

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where we're canted to God, the Father. And one thing

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that I have touched that I read here and I

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found it very, very very eye opening again, is that

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when we were created, we were created to worship. Because

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if you think about it, all of the angels that

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serve God are worshiping God. So as we were created,

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we are created to worship. And sometimes we look at

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we look for things to worship, and people will think

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that idols are these wooden statues or these marble statues

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and that we pray to them. Those are idols. I

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am so sorry, I am so sorry that you think

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that way, because idols can be ours, Idols can be clothes,

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Idols can be idols can be children. Idols can be

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anything that takes our focus away from God. That's what

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idols are and where I was going in regards to

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touching on God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit.

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When Jesus got baptized, he was anointed by the Holy

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Spirit activate Jesus in the mission that he was assigned

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to do, and that's when the ministry began. Many people

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think that because you're going to church, you're being activated. No,

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you're not, because it first begins by accepting Christ as

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your savior. There are so many religions and I had

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to pull this out. The overview of religions. I have

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here religions that are Islam, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Secularism.

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There are so many isms and that so many people

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are looking to follow to be guided because that's what

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they're in search of. But you also have another religion,

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which is called secularism or atheism, where they don't believe

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in God. They believe that there are functioning on energy.

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Who created that energy. One of the points that I

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brought up in one of my discussions is Earth is

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the only planet that can sustain light. Earth is at

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the perfect distance away from the Sun where it doesn't

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get too cold and it doesn't get too hot. And

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it's tilted at an exact twenty three and a half

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degree tilt support life. And that's what many people don't understand,

478
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and they're trying to justify that the universe has other creations.

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That's not what the Bible wrote. Because you can look

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at Genesis one one. In the beginning, God created the

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heaven and the earth. Earth was first. All the other

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planets were created on day four. Many people didn't know

483
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don't don't understand that, and that's why studying the Bible,

484
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we have to understand it's right there, it's what we're

485
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looking for. It's so easy for us to look for

486
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the fault in something instead of really studying to find

487
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out the truth. And I bring that up because that's

488
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also touched on how we as rebellious individuals, as rebellious creatures,

489
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when we committed the first sin, we now be again

490
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to suppress the truth. We're suppressing the truth because if

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you look at Romans one eighteen, we suppress the truth

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in unrighteousness. We want to justify our sinful ways and

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consider it rightful. If you look at verses twenty in

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the same chapter the Romans Chapter one, since creation, God's

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attributes is seen. Even though God is invisible, we see

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his attributes. What are his attributes? Love, he's just, he's kind,

497
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he's merciful, he's gracious. Those are the attributes that and

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those are the attributes that God displays and we don't

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even de see him. That's why we have to understand

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that despite so many religions out up there, what are

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we looking for? What's the answer that we're truly looking for.

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Are we concerned of what's going to happen to us

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when we die? Because you're going to have some belief

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out there that when we die, we're in the We're

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in the ground, and that's it. Game over. Then my

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question is were you created just to past time? No,

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you have a purpose here. You have a You've been

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designed to fulfill a purpose that you've been called to do.

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That's why we have this journey, we have this drive,

510
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we have this full to find out more. And religion,

511
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you don't get that type of relationship by following rituals,

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because God is not rituals. God is all about having

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a relationship. If you again, I go back to the

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Book of John because Jesus kept saying, I am doing

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the work of the one who sent me Jesus wasn't

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taking all the credit. He was giving reverence to god

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Father Pastor.

518
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Yes, ma'am, hold on one second, miss Gray. Can you

519
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hear us now, Miss Gray.

520
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:33.599
Yes, that you are.

521
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I was determined to have you come on this show.

522
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I'm dressed every button possible, everything possible. We are not

523
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going to let that evil take over.

524
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Amen. Amen, I appreciate it. I don't know what that

525
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was because it hit all of my electronics in the house,

526
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.039
so I don't know. You know, I couldn't get on anyway,

527
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:58.880
so I couldn't hear. So it's all good. It's all good.

528
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I wanted to make show. We got you on to

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make sure we can hear. We've heard from Pastor, We've

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heard from Trey and I. I just can't go without

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a week hearing what you have to tell us, Miss Gray.

532
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Well, there's a big difference between spirituality and religion. I

533
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was gonna read off definitions of both, so I would

534
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.079
just like to ask the audience to look them up,

535
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.159
both those words in your own dictionaries, because it will

536
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.000
definitely let you see the difference. We're gonna talk more

537
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about it. We're gonna pick it up next week and

538
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we still got time in my car. I will be

539
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on the show. But there is a difference. And I've

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even had to check myself in in you know, as

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we're getting into this subject, because back in the day,

542
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I was very happy to be I was. I was religious,

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which meant means you adhered to a religion. And I

544
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.280
was in a non denominational church, and I would say, oh,

545
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I'm a redemptive lifer. I'm gonna just call it the

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church house no longer in existence, and I'm like, what

547
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is that? One day I caught myself like, what am

548
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I saying? I attend this church, but I am not

549
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that church. I'm a child of God. And even though

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I tell you all, I'm you know, ninety percent spiritual

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and ten percent flesh. I had to check the spiritual

552
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part because you know, the word spiritual is not.

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In the Bible.

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In that sense. I'm a servant of God. I'm a

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child of God. And that makes the difference that sets

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you apart. And I went through AI and looked up

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you know, give me you know what's the most what

558
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religion is most accurate in the world, and meta AI

559
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said none Chat be at Chat, the chat one said, well,

560
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Christianity is in the lead, but we've got these others

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that are non traditional in second and third place, Buddhism,

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Islamic and Judaism. So you got to know it's about

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relationship at the end of the hour, studying your Bible,

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taking notes, taking accountability, make sure you're lining up with

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the righteousness of God. I've talked about the seven steps

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of the Righteous, Studying to show yourself approved, you know,

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meditating on His word, the word, the word, the word,

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the word. All of these other religions, they give you practices,

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they'll give you rituals, they'll give you all these things.

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At the end of the hours, I had to tell them.

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A young lady that I just spoke to over the phone,

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I said, all I can tell you is anybody that's

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ever gone through being adopted, being in the system, in

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foster care, there is a hole in us. I don't

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know where the hole is, but there's just this hole

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where everything else falls in. But only Jesus, when I

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finally accepted him into my life at age twenty two,

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only Jesus had filled that hole, and he fills it today. Cravens,

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I'm a living example, as I said, to you all

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before I died twice and I asked God years ago,

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how come in America we don't see people being brought

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back from the dead, but all the third world countries

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we see that. And then when I was clear and

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clear minded and just worshiping the Lord just a few

585
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years ago, he said, well, you finally answered your own question.

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I said, what are you talking about?

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Lord?

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He said, well, you didn't. You didn't hear about anybody

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coming back from the dead in the United States, but

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you did. And on that note, we're going to see

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you next week, same time, same station. You'd be blessed.

592
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Now, well, if they're still on the line. Uh, there's

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a couple of questions here, and I want to share

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with them. Are you still on the line, mister Gray?

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I thanks you, I thank you yet Oh way, Yeah,

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I saw all the two questions.

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Yeah, it says here and Stay's asked, are we all

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a child of God? We have to work for it? Well, Anastasia,

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the work has been done. And if you look at

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John three point sixteen, it says that for God still

601
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loved the world, he gave his begotten son. So here

602
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is where we have to understand that sins of the

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world was paid by Jesus. Our role is to believe

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in Christ and what he did for us, and how

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he paid for our sins, and us accepting what Jesus

606
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did for us, that would be what we are to do.

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And then Misty asked, is it best to be spiritual?

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That's ultimately what we are to be. We are to

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be christ Like. And just as we said in the beginning,

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we were created spiritually. So to be christ Like, we

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have to think like Christ. We have to conduct ourselves

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like Christ. We have to love like Christ, we have

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to talk like Christ. And this and Christ didn't come

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to condemn the world. That's John three seventeen. Jesus didn't

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come to condemn the world, but to save the world.

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Am I saying we are to say the world? No,

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that is the job of Christ. But what we are

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to do is to follow the new commandment that Jesus

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gave us, and that is to love our neighbor as

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I have loved you.

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And the I is Christ.

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He loved us from the beginning, even when we were

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before we were created, He loved us. And what we

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are to do is to submit ourselves pray before we

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go any any last minute works no, well.

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Said, uh, well say it, and I think I'm clarified

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a lot, and it's just affirmed some things for me

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as well in this journey.

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So great, Joe, Well, thank you country see and thank

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you for your patience. And by next next Monday, we'll

631
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we'll pick up where we left off. And uh, mister,

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we will definitely be joining us. We love you, and

633
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we have and have a great evening. And may the

634
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Lord continue to shine upon all of you the remainder

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of the week, my boss, good night,